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Topic: Upgraded to Windows 7 at last

Posted By: andy t
Subject: Upgraded to Windows 7 at last
Date Posted: 04/Nov/2010 at 2:21am

I have finally now upgraded to Windows 7. Hooray I hear you shout :-). I know, I know. Should have done it ages ago seeing as I have had the DVD for about 8 months now. Anyway now that it is done, my first question is this. I know I have to download my speech macros for all of those to work on the new operating system but I just wanted to ask these questions as well just to clarify.

I have 4 executables as regarding WSR for downloading I think.

WSRMacros.exe (this has the little oval blue bubble icon next to it.)

WSRMacros.msi (this has little computer icon and disk next to it)

WSRProfile2.exe (this has the little speech recognition microphone icon next to it.)

Speech Toolkit.exe (which now has the Orange box icon next to it indicating that this is the speech toolkit version 2.)

First of all, Have I missed any other vital programs out that need be downloaded other than the 4 I mention above?

Secondly, does it matter in what order I download them onto the new operating system?

Thirdly, once all that is done, will it work exactly the same in Windows 7 as it did in Vista only better ;-)

I am guessing it will work better because just using the regular version in Windows 7 at the moment without any macros, I have already noticed a vast improvement in accuracy and also the speechmeter is not as sensitive as it was in Vista.

So if you could just answer the questions above, then I will be good to go with the advice you give me hopefully ;-)

Cheers

andy t

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Posted By: mmarkoe_admin
Date Posted: 04/Nov/2010 at 1:09pm

andy t wrote:

I have 4 executables as regarding WSR for downloading I think.

WSRMacros.exe (this has the little oval blue bubble icon next to it.)

WSRMacros.msi (this has little computer icon and disk next to it)

I always use .msi file though if you have the .exe file it should not matter.

WSRProfile2.exe (this has the little speech recognition microphone icon next to it.)

Speech Toolkit.exe (which now has the Orange box icon next to it indicating that this is the speech toolkit version 2.)

Our Profile tool file name is WSRProfile.exe and is located in:

C:\Program Files\Speech Toolkit\WSRProfile.exe

I have no idea why yours says, "WSRProfile2.exe?"

Speech Toolkit.exe is the WSRToolkit installation program and shoudl have a date of 9/8/2010/

First of all, Have I missed any other vital programs out that need be downloaded other than the 4 I mention above?

Secondly, does it matter in what order I download them onto the new operating system?

Load WSRToolkit v2 (Speech Toolkit.exe) first as it will create the installation folder Speech Toolkit in Program Files. Then download WSRProfile.exe into that folder. The last step (or any step as it does not matter) is to install WSRMacros.msi which will create WSRMacros.exe in the correct folder.

Thirdly, once all that is done, will it work exactly the same in Windows 7 as it did in Vista only better ;-)

WSRToolkit works the same. Some differences in WSR. Three examples:

1. You can have the microphone turn Off instead of Sleeping. Probably not a good idea for someone with limited accessibility.

2. You can have a dictation box pop up in non compliant Windows.

3. You have to now say, "Capitalize" instead of "Cap That"

So if you could just answer the questions above, then I will be good to go with the advice you give me hopefully ;-)

Hopefully we've answered your questions.

Marty

Posted By: andy t
Date Posted: 05/Nov/2010 at 3:05pm

Hi Marty,

I always use .msi file though if you have the .exe file it should not matter.

I did it your way and downloaded the .msi file and not the .exe file.

Our Profile tool file name is WSRProfile.exe and is located in:
C:\Program Files\Speech Toolkit\WSRProfile.exe
I have no idea why yours says, "WSRProfile2.exe?"

Don't panic, I renamed it just for my purpose at the time so as not to confuse this one with the WSR toolkit one. I changed it back before actually putting it back into the speech files.

Speech Toolkit.exe is the WSRToolkit installation program and shoudl have a date of 9/8/2010/

Yes, I only keep the latest downloads and always delete the previous ones. So I know it's the right one ;-)

Load WSRToolkit v2 (Speech Toolkit.exe) first as it will create the installation folder Speech Toolkit in Program Files. Then download WSRProfile.exe into that folder.

Yes I did it in that order and put the WSRprofile icon back into the speech files (as I already had this
downloaded on the Vista partition of my computer. I just transferred it to the Windows 7 partition of my computer).

This then lit up the "Backup" button. I presume this is the reason why you need to put the WSRprofile
in with the speech files to light up this button and make it active. Am I right here? Anyway the button
is now active.

The last step (or any step as it does not matter)
is to install WSRMacros.msi which will create WSRMacros.exe in the correct folder.

Yes I have done this. I opened this folder expecting to see my macros in it from the Vista partition
but the folder was empty.

What process do I need to do to bring all my working macros from the Vista partition over to the
Windows 7 partition and put them in the empty file?

In the Vista partition, I tried copying some of the macros that were actively working in this partition.
I then pasted them onto a thumb drive and then tried to copy and paste them from the thumb drive
into the empty folder on the Windows 7 partition. This to my dismay, did not work as it was saying
that the macros were only shortcuts. Can you tell me how I should do this and put all the working macros into the new empty macros folder in Windows 7 so that all of my working macros work as they did in the Vista partition?

Cheers

Andy t

Posted By: mmarkoe_admin
Date Posted: 05/Nov/2010 at 5:29pm

Andy,

This then lit up the "Backup" button. I presume this is the reason why you need to put the WSRprofile in with the speech files to light up this button and make it active. Am I right here? Anyway the button is now active.

This is exactly what should and does occur.

What process do I need to do to bring all my working macros from the Vista partition over to the Windows 7 partition and put them in the empty file?

Here is the path to my speech macros on Windows 7:

C:\Users\Marty\Documents\Speech Macros

Simply copy the macros to the equivalent folder for your Users:

1. Go to the folder on the Vista computer the macros are stored.

2. Put the cursor on one file and do a Ctrl + A to highlight all macro files

3. Do a Ctrl + C to copy these.

4. Go to your Windows 7 partition and go to:

C:\Users\Andy (or whatever)\Documents\Speech Macros

5. Ctrl + V to paste the macros from Vista

I just read what you said about shortcuts. I have never seen this. Probably the easiest way to get to your Vista macro folder is to right click the macro icon in the lower right taskbar after you have started the macros program. Then select Explore Speech Macros.

Hopefully everything in Windows 7 is working fine for you. I would never have loaded Windows 7 on the same drive as Windows Vista with maybe it doesn't really matter. I'm sure you will find out soon.

Marty Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc.

See us at: http://www.emicrophones.com - www.emicrophones.com

Microsoft MVP

Posted By: andy t
Date Posted: 06/Nov/2010 at 9:21am

Hi Marty,

I have managed to sort it with the help of your instructions. Thank you very much and it works like a dream now on Windows 7.

Hopefully everything in Windows 7 is working fine for you. I would never have loaded Windows 7 on the same drive as Windows Vista with maybe it doesn't really matter. I'm sure you will find out soon.

That's just it Marty, on my computer, I did not put Windows 7 on the same drive as Vista. I put Windows 7 in a *different partition* from Vista as my computer has the capacity and is well capable of doing this.

At the time of my installation of Windows 7 on my computer, Vista was on the "C drive" so Windows 7 I loaded on the "D drive" as a clean install (not an upgrade).

Once it was all loaded I changed it round so that Windows 7 was on the C drive and Vista became placed in the D drive. In essence, it is like having two operating systems on your computer and at start-up, you just choose the one you want to use. Eventually, once I get used to Windows 7, I will then discard Vista for good.

Anyway, after all that was accomplished,, I could revert to either operating system at will. I then started bringing all my user files and that from Vista to Windows 7 and then gradually loading up all the programs on Windows 7 from scratch. Just as if it were a brand-new operating system on a brand-new computer.

Check it out here:

http://pcsupport.about.com/od/operatingsystems/ss/windows-7-clean-install-part-1.htm

The aim and advantage here is, once I get used to using Windows 7 and bringing everything over I need from the Vista partition, I can then eventually discard Vista and eventually take it off my computer altogether. The other advantage of course is, while I am doing this, I still have the choice of what operating system I use at the moment. While Windows 7 is in effect still being built up, if I want to, I could still use Vista as normal so I still have a working operating system if I need it.

Thanks for your help Marty. Now, I am on a level playing field for using the WSR toolkit version 2 on Windows 7 and see if it has corrected all the problems that I was getting in Vista with it ;-)

Cheers

andy t

Posted By: mmarkoe_admin
Date Posted: 06/Nov/2010 at 10:04am

andy t wrote:

That's just it Marty, on my computer, I did not put Windows 7 on the same drive as Vista. I put Windows 7 in a *different partition* from Vista as my computer has the capacity and is well capable of doing this.

In computer parlance, a partition is not a separate drive. You can have multiple partitions on a single drive with designations such as C, D, E, etc. You installed Windows 7 on a separate drive, not a separate partition.

Once it was all loaded I changed it round so that Windows 7 was on the C drive and Vista became placed in the D drive.

When I upgrade to a new OS version I do the same thing until I'm sure I have all information transferred from the old OS to the new. These include Documents, Favorites, datafiles and .PST file from Outlook.

Marty

Posted By: andy t
Date Posted: 06/Nov/2010 at 1:45pm

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Hi Marty,

Yes I did Marty and that is exactly what I said. If you read the post, I mentioned that I'd put a clean install of Windows 7 on the "D drive" to begin with while Vista was still on the "C drive". This was to differentiate to what you actually said in your previous post.

This was your exact quote in your previous post. I have put the poignant phrase you quoted between the 2 stars below ;-)

*I would never have loaded Windows 7 on the same drive as Windows Vista*

Which I didn't. As I said, if you read my post, I loaded Windows 7 on a *different drive* to that of Vista, (that being the D drive) and not what you said above.

If I had done what you had said above and *loaded Windows 7 on the same drive as Windows Vista* the only option open to me then would have been an upgrade and not a clean install which I clearly stated I performed.

That's what I was trying to emphasise, that this was a clean install on another drive and not just an upgrade straight over the top of Vista. I take your point though ;-)

Quite true, I am in the process of doing this although it is probably taking me longer as I am all new to this but I do have an expert who is helping me when I get in the mire ;-)

I look forward to working with the new WSR toolkit with Windows 7. It has taken me longer to get to this stage but considering my situation and circumstances, it's quite an achievement I think ;-)

Speak soon Marty ;-)

andy t

Posted By: mmarkoe_admin
Date Posted: 06/Nov/2010 at 3:22pm

andy t wrote:

Yes I did Marty and that is exactly what I said. If you read the post, I mentioned that I'd put a clean install of Windows 7 on the "D drive" to begin with while Vista was still on the "C drive". This was to differentiate to what you actually said in your previous post.[quote]

I was referring to your post at 3:05 yesterday where you said:
"Yes I did it in that order and put the WSRprofile icon back into the speech files (as I already had this downloaded on the Vista partition of my computer. I just transferred it to the Windows 7 partition of my computer)."

A drive and partition are not synonymous and that is what it sounded like.

[quote]I look forward to working with the new WSR toolkit with Windows 7. It has taken me longer to get to this stage but considering my situation and circumstances, it's quite an achievement I think ;-)

I'm a former educator. We used to say someone with tenacity had sticktoitiveness. You have both.

Marty

Posted By: andy t
Date Posted: 08/Nov/2010 at 7:28am

Hi Marty,

A drive and partition are not synonymous and that is what it sounded like

I know they are not and I did say that which was somewhat confusing I admit so I'm sorry I confused the issue.

Having said that, I did go on to say in another post:

This was in response to your quote:

"I would never have loaded Windows 7 on the same drive as Windows Vista with maybe it doesn't really matter. I'm sure you will find out soon."

I then clarified this in another post by saying "At the time of my installation of Windows 7 on my computer, Vista was on the "C drive" so Windows 7 I loaded on the "D drive" as a clean install (not an upgrade)." Windows 7 was put in a different partition to that of Vista so they were separated as such.

I was just clarifying that I did not do that and that they were put on separate drives but I did say partitions so I stand corrected.

Also by saying that you would have never loaded Windows 7 on the same drive as Windows Vista with maybe it doesn't matter is an incorrect statement because it does matter.

If you install Windows 7 on the same drive as Vista which is tantamount to installing Windows 7 over the top of Windows Vista, then your only option would be an upgrade and not a clean install. I clearly emphasised I did a clean install and not the upgrade and my Windows 7 download was put on a different partition separating it from Vista so it was impossible to lay Windows 7 over the top of Vista, hence not an upgrade.

That is why I held off putting Windows 7 on my computer for a while because I had been reading about it and been advised that a clean install is the best way forward because people were having lots of trouble with the upgrade version and all because they were trying to save their existing files and stuff but in the end they were getting nothing but problems by doing it this way.

Also, in answer to your "I'm sure you will find out soon", it is working fantastically well with Windows 7 which is now the C drive as it was a clean install and NOT an upgrade.

I'm a former educator. We used to say someone with tenacity had sticktoitiveness. You have both.

Not at all. I value every piece of advice from all experts regarding speech recognition including yourself. That is why I took the advice from a computer programmer whose expertise is second to none and who walked me through putting Windows 7 on another partition and then onto a different drive.

Once that was all put on, he did a lot of the work via remote access so I knew I was in good hands. I am only tenacious when I have been given the correct advice but I am only too willing to ask questions if I do not know the answers. That is why I use yours and others forums to gain this advice so I believe your description of me as being *tenacious* is unfair and incorrect. *Thorough and direct*, would be a more appropriate word to describe myself ;-)

At the end of the day, we all have to learn and knowledge is power as they say. They also say we never stop learning, even the experts and former educator's of this world.

BTW, the WSR toolkit version 2 works a treat now with Windows 7 and is quite impressive.

What would be your advice about the previous version? Should I did delete it or just keep the download? Is there any point in keeping it?

Cheers

andy t

Posted By: mmarkoe_admin
Date Posted: 08/Nov/2010 at 8:51am

Also by saying that you would have never loaded Windows 7 on the same drive as Windows Vista with maybe it doesn't matter is an incorrect statement because it does matter.

I should have been clearer. You can do a dual boot (separate partitions) on the same drive. Mac users do this all the time with Bootcamp, Parallels and Mac OS.

You can delete WSRToolkit version 1 if you like.

Marty