https://www.msspeech-forum.com/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Fri, 17 Apr 2026 18:18:21 +0000 Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:15:42 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.02 360 https://www.msspeech-forum.com/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=336 https://www.msspeech-forum.com/forum_images/msspeech_forum.png https://www.msspeech-forum.com/ https://www.msspeech-forum.com/teaching-wsr-recursively_topic336_post1560.html#1560 Author: ed
Subject: 336
Posted: 11/Mar/2014 at 7:15am

mmarkoe_admin wrote: ed wrote: So this is my question. If at this point I choose to correct "their" to " they are welcome," does this cause the program to learn more slowly than if I employed the previous shorter-phrase method? Another way to ask this might be, is it better to correct longer or shorter phrases? Or is the length of the phrase irrelevant? WSR uses bigrams, trigrams and quadgrams to analyze groups of 2,3, or 4 words at a time for context. Therefore, it learns based on usage within phrases of 2,3, or 4 words not whole sentences. Marty Markoe, MyMSSpeech.com

OK, thanks!

Edited by mmarkoe_admin - 11/Mar/2014 at 7:28am]]> Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:15:42 +0000 https://www.msspeech-forum.com/teaching-wsr-recursively_topic336_post1560.html#1560 https://www.msspeech-forum.com/teaching-wsr-recursively_topic336_post1559.html#1559 Author: mmarkoe_admin
Subject: 336
Posted: 11/Mar/2014 at 4:55am

ed wrote: So this is my question. If at this point I choose to correct "their" to " they are welcome," does this cause the program to learn more slowly than if I employed the previous shorter-phrase method? Another way to ask this might be, is it better to correct longer or shorter phrases? Or is the length of the phrase irrelevant?

WSR uses bigrams, trigrams and quadgrams to analyze groups of 2,3, or 4 words at a time. Therefore, it learns based on usage within phrases of 2,3, or 4 words not whole sentences.
Marty Markoe, MyMSSpeech.com]]> Tue, 11 Mar 2014 04:55:56 +0000 https://www.msspeech-forum.com/teaching-wsr-recursively_topic336_post1559.html#1559 https://www.msspeech-forum.com/teaching-wsr-recursively_topic336_post1558.html#1558 Author: ed
Subject: 336
Posted: 10/Mar/2014 at 9:29pm

Thanks for the informative reply, Marty. Because my rejoinder is long, I put it first, and quote the thread afterward.  Apologies if this adds to anyone's confusion.

I'm not having problems in general. My SuperbeamArray, connected to an Andrea PureAudio SA at a front USB Port, works fine as long as the folks in the adjoining apartment aren't throwing one another against the walls. I have WSRtoolkit 3. It's very impressive, and I've used it in previous rebuilds of my system. (Don't let me get started on rebuilds...)

Though I've installed toolkit 3 in the present build, I haven't yet much run WSR through it, since I haven't had the time to properly train WSR in it and replace the profile I've built up in WSR/WSRMacros
alone. My note was not motivated by the actual errors I'm getting as much as by a desire to understand the underlying algorithm(s) and how they respond to particular styles of asking the program for corrections. I see from your reply is that my short schematic example was rather unclear. I don't know how much it will help anyone reading this, but I'll go through my process in detail, stepping through your example sentence:

    When people come to visit my house they are welcomed warmly.

 I dictate and get:

    When people come to visit this in my house Teruel com warmly

I know that there are several ways to correct this. (1) Focusing on short phrases, I ask for a correction of "this in my house" (getting"my house" in two iterations of the correction dialogue). Next, I ask for a
correction of "Teruel com" (again getting "they are welcomed" in two iterations). Pretty good, I think. (2) But what I usually do - out of laziness, I suppose -  is ask for correction of the *whole incorrect sentence*. This often works quite well, getting me a completely correct sentence. But this time I got:

    When people come to visit my house their welcome warmly

So this is my question. If at this point I choose to correct "their" to " they are welcome," does this cause
the program to learn more slowly than if I employed the previous shorter-phrase method? Another way to ask this might be, is it better to correct longer or shorter phrases? Or is the length of the phrase
irrelevant?

Perhaps my question doesn't make much sense in terms of how the algorithms actually work. Whatever
the case, I'd appreciate your reaction. My apologies if I'm bothering you and the other readers with the
obvious. Thanks very much for your help! - ed

mmarkoe_admin wrote: ed wrote: I'm wondering if my correcting Windows Speech Recognition recursively does more harm than good. An example:Suppose I want WSR to render the phrase "my house." After a few iterations of the correction dialogue the closest I can get is "mine loaf." At this point is it wise for me to ask for a correction of "mine" (thus getting "my") and then to ask for a correction to "loaf" (thus getting "house"). Or does such a recursive procedure result in WSR taking longer than it otherwise would to interpret my speech properly? Thanks for any advice! - ed Was my house just an example or something you have been having problems with? I'm going to try dictating your example. My house is on evergreen street. When people come to visit my house they are welcomed warmly. First to answer your question. Speech recognition works not only by listening for the sound of each word, but for the context within which words are used. For example, they're going to park their car over there. Two boys went to see a Dr. because they eat too much food. The homonyms in these examples are recognized the cause of the context of surrounding words. Therefore, the best method for correction is to highlight two or more words and correct in that context. Are you having accuracy problems in general? If so, you may have a problem with your microphone-not having high acoustic quality or it is picking up background noise. You can test for this in several ways. Try making a sound recorder recording and playback through speakers or earphones. The sound should be crisp and clear with no static or background noise. If it is not, consider a good microphone made for speech recognition. Also, although this may sound like a plug for my WSRtoolkit software, it does have three ways to improve accuracy. This includes being able to add words or groups of words, creating a selection which to ensure user profile for the acoustic properties of your individual voice, and a feature that scans your typical documents and learns how you use language. Marty Markoe, MyMSSpeech.com

]]> Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:29:14 +0000 https://www.msspeech-forum.com/teaching-wsr-recursively_topic336_post1558.html#1558 https://www.msspeech-forum.com/teaching-wsr-recursively_topic336_post1557.html#1557 Author: mmarkoe_admin
Subject: 336
Posted: 10/Mar/2014 at 5:34pm

ed wrote: I'm wondering if my correcting Windows Speech Recognition recursively does more harm than good. An example:Suppose I want WSR to render the phrase "my house." After a few iterations of the correction dialogue the closest I can get is "mine loaf." At this point is it wise for me to ask for a correction of "mine" (thus getting "my") and then to ask for a correction to "loaf" (thus getting "house"). Or does such a recursive procedure result in WSR taking longer than it otherwise would to interpret my speech properly? Thanks for any advice! - ed

Was my house just an example or something you have been having problems with? I'm going to try dictating your example. My house is on evergreen street. When people come to visit my house they are welcomed warmly.

First to answer your question. Speech recognition works not only by listening for the sound of each word, but for the context within which words are used. For example, they're going to park their car over there. Two boys went to see a Dr. because they eat too much food. The homonyms in these examples are recognized the cause of the context of surrounding words. Therefore, the best method for correction is to highlight two or more words and correct in that context.

Are you having accuracy problems in general? If so, you may have a problem with your microphone-not having high acoustic quality or it is picking up background noise. You can test for this in several ways. Try making a sound recorder recording and playback through speakers or earphones. The sound should be crisp and clear with no static or background noise. If it is not, consider a good microphone made for speech recognition.

Also, although this may sound like a plug for my WSRtoolkit software, it does have three ways to improve accuracy. This includes being able to add words or groups of words, creating a selection which to ensure user profile for the acoustic properties of your individual voice, and a feature that scans your typical documents and learns how you use language.

Marty Markoe, MyMSSpeech.com]]> Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:34:37 +0000 https://www.msspeech-forum.com/teaching-wsr-recursively_topic336_post1557.html#1557 https://www.msspeech-forum.com/teaching-wsr-recursively_topic336_post1556.html#1556 Author: ed
Subject: 336
Posted: 10/Mar/2014 at 4:32am

I'm wondering if my correcting Windows Speech Recognition recursively does more harm than good. An example:

Suppose I want WSR to render the phrase "my house." After a few iterations of the correction dialogue the closest I can get is "mine loaf." At this point is it wise for me to ask for a correction of "mine" (thus getting "my") and then to ask for a correction to "loaf" (thus getting "house"). Or does such a recursive procedure result in WSR taking longer than it otherwise would to interpret my speech properly? Thanks for any advice! - ed
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